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Redwing?

Observed: 30th October 2013 By: bramblejunglebramblejungle’s reputation in Birdsbramblejungle’s reputation in Birdsbramblejungle’s reputation in Birdsbramblejungle’s reputation in Birds
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Description:

Scrub/woodland/hedgerow, full of haws and sloes - there are usually redwings (and fieldfares) here in the winter, but the earliest I've seen them previously is 11 Nov (last year). Hopeless photo and not at all sure it's a redwing; perhaps there will be more at the weekend.

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bramblejungle's picture

Redwing?

Thanks - it has the right legs for a dunnock, but I'm sure there's a trace of red, which makes chaffinch more likely. Both are common here. Is that a finch beak? If a see a (definite) redwing I'll post a better shot!

Nev Wright's picture

Could be either....

If you have another shot that would be great.

ahb's picture

Redwing??

Interesting shot - the supercilium stripes are strong and seem to meet above the bill - unless there is some trick of the shadows/ light. Not many birds like that.

There also appears to a moustachial stripe = so I think it is a Redwing.

Alan Brampton (Benson)

Ray Turner's picture

Supercilium

Not at all sure about this one so if the confidence level was any higher I wouldn’t have agreed. However given that there are strong pale supercilium, as Alan points out, one thing it is not is a chaffinch.

Ray

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ophrys's picture

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Great that a single photo can be so hard to decipher! Are there any other angles at all, to help an ID?

Does not look like a Redwing's beak and there is no strong breast streaking visible, so I would rule out a Redwing. I first thought Dunnock, too; but a closer look does show a more Chaffinch-like beak. Reed Bunting also occurred to me. The colour looks a bit of a red herring to me, as it is one of those where the light is bright and colours may not be true.

Frankly not sure a definite ID will be arrived at...

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Mydaea's picture

I can't see why there should

I can't see why there should be any doubt at all that this is a dunnock, despite the eminent authorities commenting above.

bramblejungle's picture

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Thanks everyone for contributing to this. Unfortunately this was one of those "I don't know what that bird is so I'll grab a shot in case it flies off" events. Needless to say it did fly off. Bright sun, hard shadows, and a long way off. I hope for identifiable redwings in the near future!

Mark at Magdalen's picture

Redwing

I took the liberty of photo-shopping this picture and now agree – 100% it’s a Redwing!

Mydaea's picture

Someone obviously took

Someone obviously took exception to this opinion expressed yesterday, but I can't see how this is anything other than a dunnock.

ophrys's picture

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I too have looked again and am 100% certain it is not a Redwing, as the beak is too short, the supercilium not white enough and the breast not white nor streaked enough. Dunnock seems to be ruled out by the beak shape to me (looks too deep...more finch-like)...otherwise Dunnock looks better than Redwing. But, what is that apparent area of whitish feathering on the upper breast? Very odd and I cannot place it.

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Mydaea's picture

The beak appears thick

The beak appears thick because of shadow. The breast is affected by the shadow of the twigs. The russet streaky flanks are clear on the bird's left. Dunnock.

Nev Wright's picture

Equally unsure...

..but has generated plenty of debate!
I've often found the most confusing shots are significantly influenced by the lighting and profile...all that glistens is not gold (or something like that)! :-)

bramblejungle's picture

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Sorry to have produced such controversy - I think the photo just isn't good enough for an ID. Today in the same location were chaffinches, dunnocks, goldfinches... - but no redwings. Since redwings usually turn up in flocks, I think the chances of that one bird being a redwing are not too high.

ophrys's picture

Sorry?

No need to apologise, this has been far more interesting than the usual 10 shots a day of a Wood Pigeon!

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Nev Wright's picture

Agreed...

...v interesting how we all come to different conclusions, highlighting one feature or another...makes us all better observers :-)

ahb's picture

Whatever it is...

...I began to doubt my sanity when I started to think seriously about Siberian Accentor!

Yours totally confused!

Alan Brampton (Benson)