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Unknown garden bird

Observed: 19th June 2012 By: keithdkeithd’s reputation in Birdskeithd’s reputation in Birdskeithd’s reputation in Birds
unknown garden bird
Description:
Identifications
  • Western Tanager (JUV) (Piranga ludoviciana)
    Confidence: It's likely to be this, but I can't be certain.
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    Likely ID
    canary x goldfinch cross
    Confidence: It might be this.
    ID agreements (): 3 People
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    • Ray Turner
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    • the naturalist man
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Species interactions

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Comments

Mydaea's picture

Hybrid goldfinch/canary

Hybrid goldfinch/canary cage-bird escape, I think.

keithd's picture

MAYBE A BIT OF SISKIN IN IT

MAYBE A BIT OF SISKIN IN IT

KEITHD

the naturalist man's picture

Bird

My first thought was siskin, simply because I always go for the most likely. Then I noticed the red suffusion on the face and the large amount of yellow, so I ruled out siskin and thought American bird.

I then got rather excited and dug out my guide to American birds and lo! there it was a juvenile male Western Tanager (Piranga ludoviciana).

If this were a bird blown from America it would not only be a first for Britain but for Europe and the Western Palearctic as well, however, they are a species that is captive bred so . . .

I suggest you put up an id.

Graham Banwell

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keithd's picture

WESTERN TANAGER

Thanks for that I.D. I did think american for some reason but having no point of reference for anything outside europe .....Once you gave me the name mr.google ha no hesitation in confirming

KEITHD

Mydaea's picture

Unconvinced. Wing details are

Unconvinced. Wing details are wrong for the tanager.

the naturalist man's picture

Bird

Sorry, I think I've let my enthusiasm get the better of me.

I Googled goldfinch X canary and found a bird that looks very similar, however, I also found juv. tanagers that looked similar. I'm not an expert on small American birds so I suggest you also put up an id of goldfinch X canary and see what others, who may know their American birds better, say.

In other words edge your bets!

Graham Banwell

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Nev Wright's picture

Cross

The bill is very goldfinch-like, and nothing like a tanager (look in Sibley); looks much more like a cross, and canary x goldfinch seems a lot more likely. Agree with Mydaea and Keithd

the naturalist man's picture

Goldfinch mule

Hang my head in shame and beat myself with a hawthorn branch (after sharpening the spines) for a week!

I showed the photo to a friend of mine who breeds birds and he said it is a goldfinch mule (goldfinch X canary), so I've agreed with it.

You have to admit though, beak aside, it does a darn good impersonation of the illustrations of a juvenile male Western tanager in books and on the internet! I may well be visiting USA next year and I'm going to hunt down one of these varmint!

Graham Banwell

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