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Possible Cream-spot Tiger Caterpillar

Observed: 3rd August 2013 By: andyk
London Natural History Society
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Description:

13 mm long, beaten from Wayfaring tree (Viburnum lantana).

Identifications
Species interactions

No interactions present.

Species with which Cream-Spot Tiger (Arctia villica) interacts

Comments

nightfly's picture

Hi Andy,Have a look at White

Hi Andy,

Have a look at White and Buff Ermine in ukleps and see what you think, I think its the latter but the spots on the back of the one in ukleps at the same age as yours are pale and they are black above.

White Ermine isnt disimilar but it has black on the head from an early age. I dunno......

WE also has black dots on the flank just as Ruby Tiger has from an early age. I looked at a few other like Muslin Moth and Water Ermine but they dont seem to be as close as the 2 aforementioned species.

Cathal.

Amadan's picture

I wonder about White Ermine

Although the images at http://ukmoths.org.uk are not encouraging in either case, they are probably more mature specimens.
Of food plants, UK Moths says of the Buff Ermine "feeds in autumn on herbaceous plants, bushes and trees"; and of the White "a variety of herbaceous plants".
So if either, I think my money's on the White Ermine. Just not very much if it!

nightfly's picture

Hi Amadan, If you have a look

Hi Amadan,

If you have a look at the images of very small larvae in ukleps you should see more similarity, the mature larvae are much darker, especially in White Ermine.

Cathal.

Amadan's picture

Sorry, I wasn't very clear -

That's what I had noted - hence my thinking it might be one of them.

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Hi Amadan, Sorry I thought

Hi Amadan,

Sorry I thought you were completely unconvinced by the suggestions.

I'm sort of swaying towards Cream-spot Tiger at this stage.

Cathal.

nightfly's picture

Could be Cream-spot

Could be Cream-spot Tiger.....would be the right time for a really juvenile one and the location seems ok?

The pics in ukleps dont look bad for it- many of the Arctiidae larvae have only subtle differences at such an early age.

Edit- There appears to be a point to the fore-end of the black dots on the Cream-spot larva at 15mm. A similar point is visible in the black spots at the rear of the larva above.

Cathal.

andyk's picture

Oh 'eck

I've got dots before my eyes!

I think that you are on the money with Cream-spot Tiger, but it would be nice to be sure.

Andy Keay

nightfly's picture

I'll add a 'possibly'

I'll add a 'possibly' strength ID Andy? If it needs revising later by expert input then so be it.

Cathal.

andyk's picture

Thanks Cathal

I'll do that!

Andy Keay

nightfly's picture

Oops sorry Andy, wires

Oops sorry Andy, wires crossed, I hope we are both right!!!

Cathal.

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If

If it's correct, it's down to you - definitely not me!

Andy Keay