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Colletes

Observed: 24th July 2013 By: Mike GriffithsMike Griffiths’s reputation in InvertebratesMike Griffiths’s reputation in InvertebratesMike Griffiths’s reputation in Invertebrates
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eucera's picture

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Is there any provenance with this one? The bee is an absolute ruin, and the species would normally only just be thinking about emerging by now (and consequently be fresh).

Hmmmm

Stuart
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Mydaea's picture

Exactly so.

Exactly so.

dejayM's picture

what else?

Origin 6.40pm
Interesting - do we ignore the obvious LIKENESS to Colletes (Colletes) succinctus, the symmetry and style of body stripes and the general wing pattern? Can you say what else it could be please?

I was about to agree but like all good iSpotters, I read the comments before doing so.Is it so unsafe to agree, based on this
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&c...

Mike (Griffiths), I think you are being asked to say a bit more - Chester Zoo, for instance, is a bit unusual for a bee! Was it lounging in one of the Feature Gardens or being experimentally bred?
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Edit Corrected H'link - sorry

Mike Griffiths's picture

What else?

Thanks for the comments. I put forward the Colletes succinctus as a starting point. I understand the difficulty in going for species and am happy to ID as Colletes spp. unless an alternative is available. Oddly enough Chester zoo is good for many species and the botanics department are planting with pollinators in mind. I have positive ID's for a number of aculeates, including Ectemnius succinctus, which is a nationally notable. I like the sense of humour and can confirm it was not being experimentally bred!

Mydaea's picture

"Can you say what else it

"Can you say what else it could be please?"
Almost any of the other Colletes species.

"Is it so unsafe to agree"
Yes, for the reasons given by Eucera (who knows a little bit about bees).

It would be extraordinary if it were succinctus in that state at that date, Chester Zoo or anywhere else.

dejayM's picture

Being told

You may have read my comment as a challenge - (to you both). Far, far from it as I know about reputations.
I am genuinely interested in Colletes (there are quite a few posts) and I was going to offer an ID for one. Being sensible, I thought I'd check the story first.
Thanks.
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eucera's picture

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The only way to separate C. succinctus with absolute certainty from other Colletes is to look at the beast under a microscope. Ecological information, phenology etc can be helpful but they are not infallible guides

The UK Colletes are pretty uniform in appearance, and once we get into the realms of faded and worn examples there is little one can do with confidence unless there is a microscope at hand

Stuart
Chairman BWARS
www.bwars.com

Mike Griffiths's picture

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Thanks for this, it is more helpful than the original comment and I fully accept your comment.