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Marsh 1303

Observed: 18th June 2013 By: WildpadWildpad’s reputation in InvertebratesWildpad’s reputation in InvertebratesWildpad’s reputation in Invertebrates
marsh 1303

3mm on gorse. Central cream zig-zag. White trianle clearly just visible on upper body.

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Did it definitely have a theridiid type web? The markings and shape of the abdomen don't look quite right for T. simile and I wondered if it was a young Neoscona. However, if it didn't have an orb web it rules that out.

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Theridion / Neoscona ?

Definitely did not have a distinct orb-web with central hub. Zooming in on my photo it seems a hap-hazard constructure, with criss-crossing threads through centre.
Have studied the Neoscona markings and can see your reasoning. But the triangular marking at the head of the abdomen also seems pretty clear also when photo enlarged.....?
More studying needed then..eh!

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OK ...

It was just a hunch and I thought the threads in the photo could just be the retreat where it takes its prey. But I've never seen Neoscona in gorse, although it likes heathland.

Anyway, I've seen loads of simile recently and this doesn't look quite right.

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Thank you for your help, Alan. Will do some more studying, bearing your information.

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more thoughts

I've been photographing spiders on heathland today and I did find some Neoscona in gorse and I took photos of some in their retreats, which look similar to the threads in your photo. However, the markings, though similar. aren't quite the same. I don't think your spider is Neoscona or T. simile, but another theridiid maybe. T. varians?

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elusive spider!

Thanks for coming back with that info - I will check it out.