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Cervus elephas, Lago di Doberdo', Italy

Observed: 25th June 2010 By: martinjohnbishopmartinjohnbishop’s reputation in Mammalsmartinjohnbishop’s reputation in Mammals
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Gill Sinclair's picture

Deer species

It does look more like roe than anything else, but roe, red, fallow and I believe even a few spotted deer are found in that area, and I'm not confident enough to say which species from this photo. I normally look at the distinctive 'lip' markings for roe (which are obscured by the vegetation) and also I think roe deer normally have a black edge to the ears and I can't see that here (although it may be the way the sunlight is catching the ears).

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martinjohnbishop's picture

The animal was in the lake

grazing on the vegetation. When I disturbed it there was a lot of splashing as it ran off. It was roe deer size. An additional photograph shows a black line at the ear margin.

the naturalist man's picture

Deer

This animal lacks the black tip to the muzzle and black edge to the ears of a roe as pointed out by Gill. Also the track is wrong, it lacks the curled in toes of a roe.

As far as I can tell from the distribution maps I have, admittedly not great ones, there are only roes and reds in this part of Italy. Also the ears look red deer shaped so I'm happy to go with red deer doe or young animal, most probably young one, it has something that says young; just a jizz thing.

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the naturalist man's picture

Deer

Still don't think it is a roe deer, the new picture makes it very clear it has not got the black lips and muzzle tip.

I don't want to sound insulting but how used are you to seeing roe deer? People often think they are bigger than they really are. They are about the size of a Great Dane dog, both are around 2.5ft (70cm) at the shoulder; so a rather small deer.

A female, or young as I think your animal is, red deer would be around 3-3.5ft (around 100cm) at the shoulder (lowland red deer). That's British deer I don't know about Italian ones, though I suspect they may be smaller than our Highland red deer as most ones found in deer parks in lowland Britain were imported from continental Europe and are significantly smaller than the ones found in the Scottish Highlands; which are the true British red deer.

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