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Unknown Viola 14th April

Observed: 14th April 2013 By: fransjemanfransjeman’s reputation in Plantsfransjeman’s reputation in Plantsfransjeman’s reputation in Plantsfransjeman’s reputation in Plants
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700 m alt.

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hydrurga's picture

Viola

From the descriptions and photos in my "Wild Flowers of the Mediterranean" (Blamey and Grey-Wilson; well worth getting a hold of if you're going to be studying Med species), both of your Viola observations look very much like V. alba subsp. dehnadtii or V. hirta. The latter is a hairier version of the former, without stolons, and is also not fragrant in contrast to the former. If you see any more specimens, check for stolons, smell the plant, and measure the flowers (15-20mm for the former, 10-15mm for the latter).

The book also mentions that the former has deeply fringed stipules, the latter only shortly fringed, but that might be more difficult to determine if you don't have 2 samples side by side.

I am no expert at all - this is just to give you some possibilities!

Pete
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fransjeman's picture

than you. I will try to

than you. I will try to remember this next time...

cicuta58's picture

Tricky

Tricky things, violets! Why is it not Viola odorata? The two mentioned above look to be much more hairy on the stems.

cicuta58

hydrurga's picture

Re: Tricky

I was going by the leaf shape - odorata tends to have rounder leaves and I reckoned these leaves looked more like alba/hirta. But you're no doubt right Cicuta58 (thanks), I was going by the descriptions I had rather than experience of the hairiness of the respective plants.

@fransjeman: Blamey and Grey-Wilson describes odorata as having long *rooting* runners, shortly fringed stipules, 13-15mm flowers, and fragrant.

Pete
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fransjeman's picture

Unfortunately I will not be

Unfortunately I will not be able to return there soon to check stolon/odour, so I am afraid I can't complete the determination

Thanks for comments/help

hydrurga's picture

Re: Unfortunately

No problem, there will always be plenty around. Have you thought about getting the Blamey and Grey-Wilson book? From having had a look at your other observations, it might be quite useful. You would probably be better also obtaining a book specific to the Iberian peninsula too though as Blamey and Grey-Wilson only covers flowers from the Spanish and Portuguese coastal areas up to 1000m, excluding purely mountain species.

Pete
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fransjeman's picture

Hydrurga: apparently this

Hydrurga: apparently this book is for mediterranee area/coast, where I go very little. I am more often in mountains and Atlantic coast
Thanks for information

hydrurga's picture

Flowers over 1000m

If you want more info on flowers over 1000m, check out the following on Amazon (I don't have personal experience of any of them, but they may be worth you getting hold of if you spend a lot of time in the mountains):

Alpine Flowers of Britain and Europe (Collins Field Guide) by Christopher Grey-Wilson and Marjorie Blamey (13 Sep 1979)

Mountain Flowers of Britain and Europe (Nature Trek) by S. Steffenelli, Paul Sterry and Lucia Woodward (25 Aug 1994)

Mountain Flowers of Europe by Anthony Huxley (23 Jun 1986)

Being out of print, these will all be second-hand, but you can pick them up very cheaply.

Pete
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