Found in an empty water-butt in our garden
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The size is really confusing. If there was no ruler I'd say Steatoda bipunctata but this specimen seems too big, (S. bipunctata - 7mm for head and body and that's the larger female).
Chris Brooks - www.dragonfly-images.co.uk
My Flickr site - www.flickr.com/photos/ceb1298
Could you please tell me why you think it looks more like bipunctata than nobilis? I opted for the latter because of size, but really I don't know what the distinguishing features are.
Hi Carole, as I say I'm a little confused by this one. S. nobilis usually has a whitish / pale pattern on the abdomen. S. bipunctata has 4 obvious indentations on a plainer abdomen often with a central paler line along the centre. The size would as you say fit S. nobilis better, do you have any other images that you could upload ?
Edit - If you look at the carousel of other images of S. nobilis above you will see the pattern I mean.
Thank you for your help with this, Chris. I still have the spider. It has the hint of a white pattern just above the head, which can just be seen in my photos (and I've added another). On the other hand, it does have four obvious indentations.
I have the same dilemma - its markings and proportions say bipunctata to me, but the size says nobilis. On balance I tend to think it's a large bipunctata.
Carole, if you enter an ID of just Steatoda then I will agree. I cannot make up my mind.
I've now done this, and thank you very much for your help. I'm inclined to think that Alan is correct, and this is a large bipunctata. I'm going to release it now, it's beginning to look a little unhappy.
Lat/Lng: 51.472669, -0.084927
OS grid ref: TQ331765