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Thrush family

Observed: 16th March 2013 By: Little_aukLittle_auk’s reputation in BirdsLittle_auk’s reputation in BirdsLittle_auk’s reputation in Birds
Thrush family
Description:

Captive bird.

Identifications
Species interactions

No interactions present.

Comments

Milvus's picture

Gosh, I have never seen

Gosh, I have never seen anything like this. Finch-breeders regularly produce all kinds of odd looking things, crossing various finch species, sometimes between genera (I have seen a greenfinch- bullfinch cross before), but as one does not think of 'our' common thrushes being kept in captivity, one doesn't expect this.

Structurally it looks pretty much like a song thrush, but I am assuming that this is what it looks like (and I might be wrong) i.e. a song thrush-redwing hybrid of some kind (or perhaps a song-thrush-redwing hybrid back-crossed with a song thrush?).

It would have been good to see the bird's back and the full under wing (is there a suggestion of the vent also being orange-red in the photograph?). There is no real indication of any strong redwing head pattern with its distinct supercilium, hence my suggestion of a possible back-cross. That said, the orange on the flanks and across the lower chest is more extensive than is usual in redwing – some suggestion of something else in the mix (perhaps one of the thrush species that has more orange-suffused under parts)? Intriguing and this would certainly give you cause to look twice if it turned up in your garden.

Mark at Magdalen's picture

Black-breasted Thrush ?

Could it be a female Black-breasted Thrush (Turdus dissimilis)?

dejayM's picture

Turdus dissimilis

C'mon Mark hurry, someone has to put it up - surely it's NOT a Redwing - which has started to gain momentum!

dejayM's picture

appears

Yes G O S H! There appears to be a closed ring, so is the picture taken in a cage?
dj

papillon's picture

Black-breasted Thrush Turdus Dissimillis

Could be female Black-breasted Thrush. But not sure a difficult one.

Papillon

Little_auk's picture

Wow! I must admit when I saw

Wow! I must admit when I saw it I was a bit perplexed. No more images I’m afraid. I saw this bird at Birdworld nr Farnham, Surrey on Saturday. When I first saw it, I thought this must be a thrush of some kind (some sort of Redwing hybrid sprang to mind). However, as it was a ringed bird in a captive bird set up – I decided it must be some exotic version! There was no species information on the enclosure however. As one would except, several wild birds had gained access to many of the enclosures for a free lunch (Chaffinches in particular) though this enclosure easily had more wild birds in it then others (Chaffinch, Dunnock, Blue tit) so perhaps it was particularly easy access? The female Black-breasted Thrush does look about right though!

chrisbrooks's picture

Not a Redwing

Mark (Mark at Magdalen), add an ID so we can agree please. This is NOT a Redwing.

dejayM's picture

Obvious

Well it may not obviously be a Black breasted Thrush, but it's obvious to me that some people are agreeing, (dare I say?) blindly.
I know I stand a chance of a fierce rebuke but it seems to me that the six who have agreed to the Redwing idea, have read NONE of the comments - the most important aspect of iSpot.
It's warming up here http://www.ispot.org.uk/node/317880
and it'd be nice if there was more debate.
It's nice to know that you occasionally go out Mark!
dj

ophrys's picture

Thrush

You can find other pics of T. dissimilis taken at Birdworld, if you search the web, so the ID is likely. I've agreed on that basis.

Turdus species are a complex bunch once you move away East from our shores and if you waited for an ID from an expert on them, you'd wait a long time, I suspect.

In the meantime, people should not worry if they agree it as a Redwing, as it does show features that would fit a textbook description of that species. An honest mistake, which hardly needs anyone worrying about it.

Ian
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chrisbrooks's picture

Comments

As Ian says at first glance it could bear some characteristics that could resemble a Redwing. The problem with added comments is that unless you scroll down the page they are usually hidden from view.

Thistle's picture

Yes

And an agreement can be added before the comments are made. Unless you then go back to the observation later, which seems unlikely, you may never see the comments.

Ian

dejayM's picture

agree

You are right of course and I agree with that Ian.
I was careful to note that the six HAD agreed after the comments were written.
And, of course, there are less now.
My original plea is here http://www.ispot.org.uk/node/319702
and may be worthy of a little more consideration.
Derek