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Tiny beetle on tree trunk.

Observed: 25th February 2013 By: nightflynightfly’s reputation in Invertebratesnightfly’s reputation in Invertebratesnightfly’s reputation in Invertebratesnightfly’s reputation in Invertebratesnightfly’s reputation in Invertebrates
CIMG0779
CIMG0784
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dejayM's picture

So small

Origin 21st
That's cool, so like mine here http://www.ispotnature.org/node/728377. But just different enough.
Really excellent first picture Cathal and still the only one in iSpot.
PS
Compare http://www.gbif.org/occurrence/789948117 (curiously recorded in Orkney)
http://www.gbif.org/species/4456178
You record is not found via NBN but one (2007) is nearby. Perhaps you might try to get your record on the databases.
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nightfly's picture

Thanks Derek, I had

Thanks Derek,

I had forgotten all about this one. How do I go about getting the record on the databases?

Thanks,

Cathal.

MickETalbot's picture

iRecord

is the official NBN record cleaner site, where if you are lucky you will get the ID verified by an expert in coleoptera. I say, "If you are lucky", for unless there is an expert on the iRecord team you could be waiting forever. Its the forever bit that frustrates me for I have records with iRecord 3 years outstanding, or there abouts. Anyway that is one method, another is through the BEETLES and BEETLE RECORDING in GREAT BRITAIN. The link will take you to their record submission page, however the same verification preamble still applies. Of course you can also use your coleoptera county recorder.
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For me, it is as you have correctly ID'ed, "Salpingus ruficollis", its rostrum being longer than that of "Vincenzellus ruficolli", which is its look a-like. Best of luck,

dejayM's picture

Maybe better

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Isn't it brilliant, the way that the likes of Mick (few and far between) find the right places to comment!
The very best way, in my opinion, is to properly befriend the Beetle recorder in your region. It will be she who should ratify your record, from a reasonable description and one of our (yours, Mick's and my) brilliant photos.
For me, that route was slightly disastrous (I can't say why here) BUT I persevered and found an outlet in an adjacent area. Now, ALL my records are uploaded to the relevant databases at the end of each year - I think they are submitted directly to the NBN admin area. That person has time and energy to respond to my infrequent needs (I am careful NOT to bombard him) and is a bit of a mentor. It helped a lot to find out that he is an iSpotter (of long standing).
In your case, if you cannot find the recorder, I'd consider contacting the Centre for Environmental Data and Recording here http://nmni.com/cedar note the contact page and this "There are forms for adding a single species or a list of species for a site but the are also forms that are designed for specific species groups or projects. If you have any questions or feedback about this facility please email us at cedar.records@nmni.com ."
It should open some good and wide doors to you, considering your quest to get into the field.
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MickETalbot's picture

Cedar

Cedar site link did not work for me, so lets see if this one wiill, and it does. My apologies Derek, tried yours again and it did work, a momentary glitch on my part, scratches head?

dejayM's picture

CeDARS and subtleties

I have left the above unreplied so you may edit it to respond to this Mick, if you wish
Yes, I am hoping the CEDaR site will open doors for Cathal.
I am amazed these are so similar in nearly all respects (from your "for me" remark)
Salpingus ruficollis http://www.colpolon.biol.uni.wroc.pl/rhinosimus%20ruficollis.htm
Vincenzellus ruficollis http://www.colpolon.biol.uni.wroc.pl/vincenzellus%20ruficollis.htm
So alike - side b side if you can arrange them on screen, at first glance, the same!.
Rostrum being longer aside, there are not very subtle differences with the colour banding across the eyes.
It suggest, doesn't it, that we need to be exceptionally careful sometimes when picking an ID from the web.
Distribution is interesting and pretty overlapping
>>Salpingus ruficollis<<
>>Vincenzellus ruficollis<<

nightfly's picture

Ok, the man to inform is Roy

Ok, the man to inform is Roy Anderson, he will at least point me in the right direction. He is author of this website-

http://www.habitas.org.uk/groundbeetles/

Cathal.

dejayM's picture

Habitas

Yep, he's your man. Buy him a drink!. I've used his Species List Key a few times
You have an excellent Beetle Record here Cathal so please him with all your records.

MickETalbot's picture

Go for it Cathal.

I have that site listed as a fave, going back a few years though.

nightfly's picture

I will email Roy a link to

I will email Roy a link to this page.

Thanks Derek and Mick.

Cathal.