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Falcon01

Observed: 6th February 2013 By: youfarted
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Description:

Falcon type bird. Watched her attacking a gang of crows to chase them away from her chosen territory.

Identifications
  • Lanner falcon
    Confidence: It might be this.
  • Peregrine Falcon (Falco peregrinus)
    Confidence: It's likely to be this, but I can't be certain.
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  • Falco Peregrinus Biarmicus Fledeggi (Peregrine Lanner)
    Confidence: It's likely to be this, but I can't be certain.
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  • Peregrine Lanner (Falco peregrinus x biarmicus fledeggi)
    Confidence: I'm as sure as I can be.
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    Likely ID
    Hybrid falcon (Falco sp)
    Confidence: It's likely to be this, but I can't be certain.
Species interactions

No interactions present.

Comments

Aláine's picture

Nice bird, seemingly fed and

Nice bird, seemingly fed and found with its swolen crop. Typical to head off for a fly after a good feed. It's very common now in falconry to have multiple hybrids. Crosses between Peregrines and Lanners are in fact very common. I'm open to correction but a reckon this is a hybrid. From the reddish plumage visible below the optical region in the second picture I'd be sceptical of this being a pure Peregrine.

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Mydaea's picture

It is certainly not a pure

It is certainly not a pure peregrine.

Bogey the Fungusman's picture

Working bird?

Looks as though it may have some sort of loop attached to its right leg.

Graham

Aláine's picture

That's an anklet and the

That's an anklet and the bird's jesses...this is a captive falcon.

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youfarted's picture

escapee?

Its not captive anymore, it must be an escapee

Aláine's picture

Oh I thought you were

Oh I thought you were watching a falconer's bird do you know any falconer or birds of prey centre in your area? If you do it would be well worth sending them your pictures and information even if it's not theirs they would probably know who's it is, usually lost birds are drawn to other areas with raptors so when a bird is lost falconers often inform their local birds of prey centre. It's uncommon for an escapee to survive too long in the wild with equipment on. If the bird is staying in an area it's probable that it will roost there and that makes it 'easy-ish' to retrieve, generally!

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trevindevon's picture

Good idea

Good idea Alaine. I doubt it will survive in the wild with all the falconer's 'kit' encumbering it.

Mydaea's picture

The idea is right, but 'Falco

The idea is right, but 'Falco Peregrinus Biarmicus Fledeggi (Peregrine Lanner)' is not a correct name. The English is where the Latin should be. I suggest you add a revision as 'Falco' (Latin) and 'hybrid falcon' as the English.

Aláine's picture

Mydaea, I see what you mean.

Mydaea, I see what you mean. It wouldn't be exactly correct to say falcon hybrid though, that could be a vast number of species. This is a Peregrine Lanner undoubtedly but I'm unsure of the latin ID.

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Mydaea's picture

I think you are absolutely

I think you are absolutely right, and I am amazed that 6 people can think it is a peregrine from the picture and in the face of what you have said. In that case make it Peregrine x Lanner, and Falco peregrinus x biarmicus should do.

David Jardine's picture

Hybrid falcon

Hi Alaine

why are you certain it is a Peregrine hybridised with a Lanner and not a Perg hybridised witha falcon from further afield? The trade in falcons is an international one and it may be that the Peregrine may not even be European.

I would be more comfortable with confirming this as a Hybrid falcon (Falco sp) than being certain it is a Lanner hybrid.

All the best

Mydaea's picture

I would also be happier with

I would also be happier with a non-specific Falco hybrid identification, but I think the features we can see make a cross with lanner very probable. The number voting for peregrine increases though.

youfarted's picture

I agree.

she/it is a lot smaller than a Peregrine, she is smaller than the crows she was chasing away. Interestingly there is a male Kestrel hanging about near her nest. Is there any chance of them breeding if she isnt captured and put back into slavery?

Aláine's picture

It would be highly unlikely

It would be highly unlikely Kestrels would view larger falcons like this one as a predator and rightly so bird like this would kill a Kestrel if it got the chance especially if the Kestrel had prey. Captive birds of prey have a great deal of freedom when kept right. They are flown daily used for hunting and trained using luring. I can understand why you might think raptors are not meant to be captive, it is a valid point. If this bird is not retrieved it will die, it's equipment will either prevent it from hunting or become entangled in undergrowth, that would be a very unfortunate faith for such a beautiful creature.

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