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Lock old obs with no agreements before reposting

This is a suggestion from a discussion on another thread.

I have a number of obs from the summer with no responses and would like to repost, but I don't want to have to delete the original (as has been suggested ?)

Could we have the facility to lock our old obs - as long as they have no agreements - say after waiting 1 or 2 months and then repost ?

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Matt Smith's picture

Locking

If old Observations were locked, that means no one could ever put an ID on them - I do sometimes trawl though the "help needed" section and see if I can add anything to some of the older Obs.

If they didn't get an ID the first time round, I would think you would get exactly the same "null" response" the second time round as well, so why repost? Do you have some links to example posts you mean, might be interesting to see them and think why there was no Id added.

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If old Observations were

If old Observations were locked, that means no one could ever put an ID on them

Yes that is the point. Note, not just locked for the sake of it, lock only if zero agreements and then repost. The reposted obs could maybe get some agreements.

If they didn't get an ID the first time round, I would think you would get exactly the same "null" response" the second time round as well, so why repost?

From other discussion on this people often do repost. Particularly at this time of year when it is quieter and so it perhaps has got more chance of being seen ?

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Do you have some links to

Do you have some links to example posts you mean

I currently have

www.ispot.org.uk/node/279099

www.ispot.org.uk/node/276935

www.ispot.org.uk/node/276918

www.ispot.org.uk/node/274238

www.ispot.org.uk/node/270172

www.ispot.org.uk/node/268000

www.ispot.org.uk/node/268753

www.ispot.org.uk/node/267997

www.ispot.org.uk/node/267287

www.ispot.org.uk/node/267184

No agreements on any of these.

(And at time of starting this discussion I also had 3 more from the summer, which have just got 1 agreement each this morning)

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Agreements:

I think the reason some of these have not got agreements added it that it is not possible to ID the individual observation to species.
I think that some people don't like to give or confirm "partial ID" to genus level as they don't feel they have made a "proper" ID, particularly where the Observation is of a "tricky" group or species.

I put agreements on 1 and 2

No 3 - the Best ID is Ancistrocerus sp, but adding that would still leave the observation "hanging".

No 4 - probably Tipula sp is the best you could get, but these are not one of my favourite families of flies.

No 10 - added a revised ID - now needs an agreement on that.

As for the plants, my current level of expertise is such I think I know some of them but don't feel knowledgeable to confim the IDs with confidence.

I still don't think it would be sensible to lock and repost, otherwise we would just end up with a series of the same posts going round in circles. I think that would almost be as irritating as seeing the same picture posted here, and on WAB, and on some of the invert forums - the same people look at most of these and give the same ID each time, yet it still gets reposted the next day somewhere else with the question "what is it", when the correct answer has been give 2 or 3 times already.

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Thank you for your response

Thank you for your response and agreements.

It is a problem of using ispot for ID: the difficult species are the ones that really need the input and yet are least likely to get it. Possibly partial IDs could be seen as worthwhile in some cases ?

I do think a "lock and bump" system could work as long as there was a decent time interval between reposts.

Didn't realise the issue with other forums however (I don't post elsewhere)

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"Lock and bump" eh?

An interesting idea.... like yourself, I posted an observation which failed to generate any interest, which was very disappointing for me, as it had me stumped.

As a newcomer to iSpot, I wondered if there was a way to "bump": I hadn't realised that the second carousel contains just unresolved observations.

But no-one seems to go back very far in it - old unresolved Observations just seem to languish!

Earlier today I went back to the August observations, and I hardly recognised any of the names of the IDers, which shows that there is a case to be made for re-posting, or bumping, unresolved IDs. It's entirely possible that someone else will see it second time around - especially if there is a time limit of say 3 months, to prevent re-postings becoming annoying.

(possibly they could be filtered out?)

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