gardener's picture

Facebook integration

http://www.ispot.org.uk/facebook-connect?nav=no_likely

"Existing Users
........ Alternatively you can login to iSpot with your prefered method ......."

Unfortunately I don't seem able to!

I don't want to link my iSpot account to my Facebook account but once I'm logged in to FB I don't have the option to log into iSpot normally using my user ID and password.

I wondered if this is a browser glitch (XP with Firefox) or is anyone else having the same problem?

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Matt Smith's picture

FB links

Just tried logging in and can log in "normally", though I still have the option to log in via FB if I want. Win XP and IE*.

I'm with Gardener above - I don't want to link my I-Spot account to my FB account. Though I can see some avid FB users may like this, I'm personally not keen on this trend to link everything on the internet up via Facebook (which is not particualrly secure), and will normally avoid using this sort of login system wherever possible. For one or two sites that I regularly used to visit that have moved over to a "log in via FB" sysyem, I now no longer log in at all.

Even though I'm not running a FB session, when I log in to I-Spot still tells me under the FB button that "XXXXX uses iSpot", and clicking on the name takes me to his FB page. This suggests that somewhere there is still (or has been) some sort of linkage / data exchange between iSpot and FB. How does this work?

What I would personally really like to see with this is some option to opt out completely of any connection between my iSpot account and my FB account, no page links or similar. Make it so that iSpot has no idea about a users FB account. Probably sounds a little odd considering the app makes it easy to join the two, but that would be my preference. Any thoughts?

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DavidHowdon's picture

Browser

Not sure if it can be blocked with IE but with Firefox a combination of clearing cookies with the Ghostry and ShareMeNot add-ons largely prevents this sort of cross linking with Facebook.

richard's picture

Facebook other friends info

Hi Matt,

We have some embedded code that allows Facebook to display some of your friends when you have an active Facebook session. We don't store any of this information in iSpot and the images of your friends you see are being added directly by Facebook.

Only you can see this information due to your active Facebook seeison.

We're working on changing this view so you'll only see this before you log into iSpot that way if you decide not to use Facebook to log in you won't be constantly reminded of this by seeing your Facebook friends.

Hope this will help.

Thanks,

Richard G - iSpot technical team

Rachy Ramone's picture

Facebook - no thanks.

Just for general info, I am not the slightest bit interested in Facebook.

I am also vehemently opposed to the current trend for "linking" everything with everything else.

This is not luddite paranoia, this is a simple wish for privacy.

I use the internet on my terms, and I resent being forced to "share" my information.

There are so very many instances of security breaches, and so very many unpleasant tales of stalking, bullying, harrassment etc via the internet, that I prefer to compartmentalise my internet usage.

I'm sure I am not the only one to feel this way, so while I appreciate that iSpot is aimed at getting younger people involved in wildlife, do please bear in mind that many of us do not want to be fully integrated, and do please ensure that all these options are opt-out-able.

Thank you!

PS the number of people who sign in with pseudonyms, rather than their real names, should give you an indication of the proportion of people for whom privacy is important.

Rachy Ramone

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richard's picture

Logging in without Facebook

Hi gardener,

As Mat Smith says, it should be completely possible to log into iSpot without needing to use Facebook, regardless of whether you've got an active Facebook session.

It seems you must have managed to log into iSpot without connecting your account to Facebook because you've managed to post in this forum and I can see your account is not linked to Facebook.

Do you think you're connected to Facebook because it's showing you your friends?

Richard G - iSpot technical team

gardener's picture

Hi Richard, Thanks for your

Hi Richard,

Thanks for your comment but I think you might have slightly misunderstood my first post - now I can only log into iSpot normally if I'm NOT already logged in to FB.

If I'm logged in to FB I no longer have that option and have to log out of FB in order to log in to iSpot without being forced to use Facebook Connect ........

I've no intention of ever using the Facebook connect option and I totally agree with Matt's comment:

"What I would personally really like to see with this is some option to opt out completely of any connection between my iSpot account and my FB account, no page links or similar."

As you might have guessed I'm not a fan of FB extending its tendrils even further!

richard's picture

Hi Jenny, This is a very

Hi Jenny,

This is a very strange situation that we'd very much like to get to the bottom of. I do/did understand your first post but am struggling to see how it's possible due to how we've developed this feature. Just to be completely clear -

if you're logged into Facebook (in a different tab/window) you don't then see the username and password fields in the login block on the iSpot website?

Your current account isn't at present linked to Facebook so this means you've first logged out of Facebook before logging in to iSpot to post in this forum?

If this is indeed the case then, I think next thing is to ask what browser you're using and it's version, you should be able to find this information under the 'About [your browser name]' in one of the menu options.

I hope you don't find me disbelieving of your experience I'm just trying to pin down exactly what's happening for you and why.

Hopefully we'll be able to sort this out for you soon.

Thanks,

Richard G - iSpot technical team

gardener's picture

Hi Richard, If I'm already

Hi Richard,

If I'm already logged in to Facebook in a different tab the username and password fields here are visible but inactive.
I'm using Windows XP with whatever the latest version of Firefox is.

As Facebook's primary purpose is to harvest as much user information as possible to sell to advertiser's I'm saddened that iSpot has decided to facilitate even closer links with it. It would be good if iSpot could provide a total opt-out option.

richard's picture

opt out from your profile

Hi Jenny,

We've now added the ability for you to opt out of seeing both the connect to Facebook link and the display of which of your Facebook friends are connected. Go to your iSpot profile and under the Facebook Connect tab you'll see an option to hide the Facebook connect button.

You will still see Facebook related things in login block on iSpot before you're logged in but that is obviously because we have no way of implementing your preferences until you're logged in.

Hope this will give you a better experience on iSpot.

Thanks,

Richard G - iSpot technical team

Rachy Ramone's picture

Yesss! *opts out*

Many thanks, Richard, excellent idea!

As a non-fan of Facebook (see above) it was a small but constant niggle to see it there.

Now it's gone - mwaah haaah haaah!

Any chance you could do something similiar with the annoying pop-up box that says something about "sharing" with facebook etc.?

Rachy Ramone

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gardener's picture

Thank you!

Many thanks Richard, that Facebook stuff was really annoying me!
Also agree with Rachel that it would be great to get shot of that pop-up box too ......

gardener2's picture

Locked out

Hi Richard,
The saga continues as now I can no longer log in at all using my original account 'Gardener'.

The situation didn't improve from my initial post of November 23 as I continuing having to log in to iSpot before checking FB to see if there was any news from my son travelling in South America.

Yesterday I only managed to log in here by using the New Account > Log in tab, today even that was greyed out so I have just now had to open a completely new account.

It will be interesting to see if I can log back in as Gardener2 once I've logged out .....

Jenny - now unable to log in to iSpot as Gardener!

richard's picture

Hopefully solved

Hi Jenny,

we've now disabled some of the Facebook integration and with this I'm hopeful that your issues will be resolved.

Please let me know if you can now successfully log in.

Richard G - iSpot technical team

gardener's picture

Fingers crossed - for the

Fingers crossed - for the first time since the Facebook stuff was added at the end of November I've been able to log in consistently and without problems!