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Not that I have got my head round these at all - I have some just like this that I'm trying to id at the moment, using books and the Wild About Britain fungal threads.
deterrimus discolours red. Is semisanguifluus a UK species?
Very new to this myself. Showed it to the fungi group I go out with this morning and they agreed with the ID.
Also need to know what colour milk turns flesh after 20min and tree type.
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Tree type given above - Pine.
Milk turns dark red.
Milk would of turned purple/red if this had any chance of being L.quieticolor just like L.deterrimus that you dismissed for exactly that reason!
The information I have is;
deterrimus, flesh discolours red
quieticolor, flesh discolours green YES
deterrimus, milk orange
quieticolor, milk orange, turning red YES.
I dismissed deterrimus because the FLESH dicoloured GREEN and not RED.
What instantly? The green develops in all the species mentioned so far but it takes several hours. L.quieticolour USUALLY has purple grey discolouration.
I didn't say instantly.
quieticolour does not discolour purplish/grey.
I am happy with the identification as were several local mycologists.
I don't see anything will be gained from any further discussion thanks.
Just in case you do read this (I'm not trying to say you are wrong, just trying to figure things out for myself really.)
Are you competely sure about the quieticolor discolouration - the pictures in Sterry and Hughes (Collins) for example, show distinctly purplish/grey colouring, and the text says ' grey or buff or orange, sometimes with shades of blue or grey'.
Some mycologists seem to be keener to get to a definite species name than others. Without looking at the spores, it is often hard to be completely sure.
I'm still not sure what the ones I found were, though I'm ruling out deterrimus as it wasn't near any spruce. But I wouldn't rule it out on the basis of colour, as 'green' and 'greyish' and 'vineaceous red' (purplish) are all mentioned. And the ones I found had bright orange milk which changed to dark red, and then eventually to green overnight.
Chalkie - I have no problem with your questions!
I think care needs to be taken between colours and discolouration on bruising/damage.
Here are some pictures of the ones I found:
Just had a look at the Rogers mushrooms page. It doesn't list L quieticolor, but says that L deterrimus can grow under pines... Maybe this is one of the many places where mycologists simply disagree!
And I just tried looking in the CATE database for L semisanguifluus, and there are over 50 records of that in the UK. (And that isn't in Phillips either.) And 69 records in the FRDBI database too.
I would say yours looks good for quieticolor too.
If I used a book that didn't have L semisanguifluus I'd go for L quieticolor too, but going on the descriptions where both L qu and L sang are included, I think mine's more likely to be the latter, because the milk changes colour so quickly. (However, I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone one day decides they are all really the same species!)
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