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Small Copper

Observed: 7th August 2012 By: BruceHBruceH’s reputation in InvertebratesBruceH’s reputation in InvertebratesBruceH’s reputation in InvertebratesBruceH’s reputation in Invertebrates
Small Copper
Description:

Heathland near river

Identifications
Species interactions

No interactions present.

Species with which Small Copper (Lycaena phlaeas) interacts

Comments

DavidHowdon's picture

Subspecies

What features indicate that it is this subspecies?

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David Howdon

BruceH's picture

Subspecies

I checked this ID on various sources including Wikipedia. Under "Systematics" in Wikipedia it appears that L. phlaeas ssp phlaeas is appropriate for Europe.

Is this incorrect?

DavidHowdon's picture

You are probably correct

but it is not clear how you would eliminate the presence of one from another sub-species which had turned up out of range if the location was being used as the method of determining the identity.

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David Howdon

BruceH's picture

sub-species

I take your point completely. Wiki seem to imply that the ssp determination is geographic, and allocate sub-species names accordingly. There were no further links to follow for additional information.

It sounds as though they may have got it wrong. As you may guess I am out of my depth here. This is the link to follow to see the page I mean

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycaena_phlaeas

I should be interested in your further thoughts.

DavidHowdon's picture

Out of my depth too

There will be some difference between the sub-species other than geography but it might be subtle, or require dissection, or be genetic variation. I don't have any sufficiently detailed literature on the European fauna to say what the difference is.

Personally I'd just stick to identification to binomial level unless I was confident of the characteristics to separate the different subspecies.

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David Howdon

BruceH's picture

Groves of academe

Thank you David. I have revised the ID to remove the ssp. Can you confirm it?

I fear I am entering groves of academe with which I am most unfamiliar!

Bruce