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A mystery

Observed: 1st April 2012 By: FenwickfieldFenwickfield’s reputation in Fungi and LichensFenwickfield’s reputation in Fungi and LichensFenwickfield’s reputation in Fungi and LichensFenwickfield’s reputation in Fungi and LichensFenwickfield’s reputation in Fungi and Lichens
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Fungi (2)
Description:

Growing from silt trapped in branch on stream bed just above water level,stream at bottom of deep gully.It was dull vermilion-red some wavy,flat,did have hairs at edge but looked light in colour some were 1cm other's 2cm.They did stain a white handkerchief red as I took one home to put under the microscope.I have searched for a couple of days and cannot even get it to genus level it's a mystery.

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Comments

Amadan's picture

A mystery indeed!

Mention of the hairs at the edge made me wonder about Scutellinia umbrarum - supposedly a bit bigger than S. scutella, and with less conspicuous hairs. But the illustration in Phillips is more orange than vermillion.

Fenwickfield's picture

same thought

I had the same thought at first but to big and hairs are not dark brown,there was just the odd white one.It just does not seem to match anything in Phillips or Jordan either .I hate ones like this as you think they will be a so easy to id as they are so striking and how wrong I was.

Fenwickfield

flaxton's picture

Scarlet Elf Cup?

Scarlet Elf Cup?

Amadan's picture

I'd wondered -

About that, but to be honest I'd assumed that the person posting - who is very good on fungi - had ruled it out. I've only ever seen it in autumn, but Phillips says it can be found in spring as well.

Fenwickfield's picture

Ruled

Yes your right I had ruled that out I have lot's of Scarlet elf cup were I live and it is not that.There is no short stem and on were in rolled at the margin they were also a different colour to any Scarlet elf cup I have ever seen,upper surface on scarlet elf cup is smooth and mine is not.I know Flaxton is an expert but I really feel that this is not Scarlet elf cup.

Fenwickfield

jhn7's picture

Scarlet Splash?

Cytidia salicina can form patches rather than a crust. http://www.mycokey.com/MycoKeySolidState/species/Cytidia_salicina.html

Janet
Certificate in Contemporary Science (Open)

flaxton's picture

A piece under the microscope

A piece under the microscope would quickly rule out one or the other as SEC is an asco and Cytidia is a basidio.
What was the texture like?

Fenwickfield's picture

Texture

Quite flexible I think,I did not keep my piece I brought back home and my microscope is not a very good one.I am going back to the spot over the weekend to get my nightcam as that was the purpose of my visit not fungi.I think it should still be there in a reasonable condition after the snow as very sheltered spot and if possible would you be willing to have a look Mal if I post it to you.

Sheila

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flaxton's picture

Yes that would be good. Mal

Yes that would be good.

Mal

Fenwickfield's picture

Thanks

will get it sent off to you after the bank holiday weekend

Sheila

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miked's picture

what about ascocoryne

what about ascocoryne cylichnium?

Fenwickfield's picture

no luck

I went back to the spot on Monday gone and sadly I could not find it,but there was some Sarcoscypha on the twigs on the banks of the stream so I think you were probably right Flaxton and they were just a bit weathered with being in the stream.I will in future remember to keep my samples a while so they can be checked out.Please feel free to put an id on.This is when I realise that I don't know as much as I thought about fungi.

Fenwickfield

jhn7's picture

Don't be downhearted.

Look back at your reasons for ruling out Sarcoscypha and remember different species can live alongside each other. Your descriptions show keen observation and understanding of what makes a difference. IF it is Scarlet Elf Cup at least you've added to your signicant knowledge!

Janet
Certificate in Contemporary Science (Open)

flaxton's picture

I would totally agree with

I would totally agree with that Janet.

Mal