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Observed: 9th September 2006 By: ChrisMcAChrisMcA’s reputation in FishChrisMcA’s reputation in Fish
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I'm interested in your

I'm interested in your octopus post Cathal http://www.ispotnature.org/node/248621 Cathal, & am posting here to avoid filling it up with an argument. 1 of the things I was going to ask is whether the last photo was added when you did your 2nd ID 4 days after the 1st, & indeed whether it was the same octopus (which I assumed it was).Judging from the photos names (hamish39 to hamish47) it'd appear they're of the same incident (unless you caught another octopus after & photod it next pic-but-two after 1st 3 pics).
If that's so then when you added the 2nd definition on 26th & the same day said You'd added 2 more pictures it'd be remarkble if that didn't include the 4th picture which is the clinching evidence (& yours & rangers comments on 22nd suggest you'd have posted the 1st 2 pictures on the 22nd (it grappling the plaice & it on deck).

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No problem Chris, it was the

No problem Chris, it was the only octopus encountered that day and the pics are all of the same incident.

I think it went like this- I posted the octopus as common octopus as I thought that most likely and I knew nothing of the curled octopus or how to tell them apart. After posting, within a few days I discovered there were 2 possible species and a fairly straightforward way of separating them- the suckers. As soon as I found this out I went back to the pics taken that day on the boat and I added the image of the underside showing the suckers to my observation with a new ID of Curled Octopus. Yes that 4th picture would have been added on the day I revised the ID, thats how I remember it and it clearly ties in with what I said on the day I revised it.

Prior to that discovery of the suckers as IDing features I didnt know the significance of the underside view and I only added it when I knew it was necessary for the ID. Hope that helps.

Can I ask why it is of interest?

Cathal.

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I'm interested as it looks on

I'm interested as it looks on the face of it like a case where 4 people having agreed a wrong ID (admittedly it was a difficult call), & then either ignored or were unaware of the 2nd ID+photo of 4days later & the subsequent agreements (I'm assuming all 4 agreed the 1st before you added the 2nd here); & so thought to put a forum post about the problem of 'experts' not responding to new correct id's (including older examples ) or a forum "why was this missed" in problems forum which should get agreements for your ID also.
My (admittedly ill-judged) remark on your post came from my surprise that 4 people could have ignored your 2nd ID etc, & I was even more surprised when I saw who they were (eg included probably the 2 greatest contributors to invertebrates). So for either of them to agree after the 2nd would be a clear error; & from itsmeal's contributions to an earlier eg http://www.ispotnature.org/node/248632 ,he must have agreed before the 2nd ID; so am I right that all 4 agreed before the 2nd ID?. In that case it seems they never saw the 2nd ID.
& there's the further complication of a 2nd mis-ID by same 2 at http://www.ispotnature.org/node/248623 ,(had you already agreed both Itsmeal's blue ocean's IDs as I'm wondering why Iagreed the 2nd ID)

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I think itsmeal has agreed

I think itsmeal has agreed both octopus IDs? That would probably just be a case of itsmeal having overlooked removing the initial agreement?

How can anyone completely miss a revised ID? We are notified when new IDs are added to something we have agreed, unless Im badly mistaken.

I can explain Peadar na Breac's agreement not having shifted, he doesnt go on iSpot anymore. Thats one of the 4 explained anyway.

Every time we comment on that observation everyone who has contributed to it should get a notification that there is a new comment so all agreers should presently be getting notified about it.

I would say there are some examples out there where I have failed to correct a bad agreement I have made, because there are times when I dont look at iSpot for a few weeks and then the list of notifications is so big I dont adress everything, I know I really should but sometimes I just try to add the observation in question to favourites and then revisit when I have more time and energy.

All the same, as much as its not possible for everyone to be perfect on iSpot all the time, there are certainly cases where wrong agreements are left in place despite the evidence and info., even by people with gold badges and it can be infuriating. So I understand why you posted that forum topic. As you know yourself by now Im sure, from using the site, certain users are more comfortable than others at admitting errors and addressing them maturely, or addressing them at all.

Cathal.

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I agree with you all the way,

I agree with you all the way, & in the past were really dumb answers with experts who've never shifted or responded despite a long procession of comments & disagreements( http://www.ispotnature.org/node/110992 springs to mind). But in this case, where the 2nd ID & agreements could possibly be over in 1 day,the 26th, there's a greater possibility of missing it - but then why no response to the recent comments?
on Itsmeal the last entry in his track was 36 weeks ago.(so that possibly lets him out) (I hadn't noticed the double agreement)
On my changes forum; wasnt it true that on the old ispot you opened onto mypage & the changes if any were there on the page? (it's terrible but already I can't quite remember!). Anyway I don't use 'my page' now as it's too slow, & go in via habitats.
But as far as the main 2 are concerned they're probably the top or near it in contributing to invertebrates & I've always found them reliable & responsive, so I'm genuinely puzzled. But I've checked their tracks for that time & both were busy as ever over the 30 days after the 26th. So was there a fault roundabout 26th that mislaid notifications? If so nobody reported it in the 'report problems' or 'other feedback' forums. Another possibility is they noticed,& had a mind to check it out but were so busy they forgot. But I fear it might be changes filters unticked, though there are other ways to check, like using favourites or unread.
on users the way I do it is to find a post by the user/ comment by them & click on their name, which gives you their profile, & then click track, then find the topmost post that the user has posted or commented on.

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As far as I can remember

As far as I can remember Chris you get pretty much an identical menu of changes now when you hit on 'changes' as you previously got when you went to MySpot.

I am still getting familiar with the new structure and with my laptop functioning very slowly, its all the harder to get familiar with it.

One thing, how do you now see how recently a user has been on the site? You just hit 'users' previously but I cant find it now. A friend of mine wants to know how far back he is in the recent users.

Cathal.

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Hi Chris, Have you just

Hi Chris,

Have you just edited comments? I have had 2 notifications about comments added but no comments there both times Ive been notified.

Cathal.

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Sorry cathal I'd used the

Sorry cathal I'd used the thread above yours; & there I misinterpreted your question as being "how recently a user has used the site?". I don't know any way to get a chronological list of users.

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Before the changes you could

Before the changes you could hit 'users' and you would get a list of users which happened to begin with the most recent user to logon. I cant find that since the changes, possibly no longer available.

Cathal.