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Lesser Celandine

Observed: 26th February 2012 By: ns2658
S159 Neighbourhood Nature - current student
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Lesser Celandine
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David Trevan's picture

Ficaria verna

Sorry when I first tried to add up to date name it reverted back to Ranunculus ficaria!You are right with your id ns2658 but Ficaria verna is the up to date name.
Dave

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Ficaria verna

Thanks for pointing that out.

ophrys's picture

Names

This is one of those where it really does not need updating, because iSpot, and the linked NBN, is still using Ranunculus ficaria. It's like the old chestnut of Larus/Chroicocephalus. You might as well leave it the same, but add a note in the comments.

Names only need changing if iSpot is up to date, like with Blue Tit, where iSpot uses Cyanistes, while some people use the old Parus. That one I would update.

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Names and Old Chestnuts

For what its worth it would appear the old chestnut is a topical debate - but assuming the agreement on the original synonym was made as a matter of courtesy then I would change. like David , the name , to the current accepted scientific binomial. As pointed out on numerous occasions neither ID is wrong as a Synonym ,

A spectrum of rules does not work in my opinion ie Change Blue Tit from Parus to Cyamistes and Not change Larus to Chroicocephalus. My point of view is simple . It is good practice to use what is accpeted by learned authoriy as being current - taxonmy constantly refines and evolves itself , .

Because i-spot and NBN are not using the current recommneded forms on the autocomplete box doesnt give it authority to supercede good practice ( remembering of course this is an online database which is only as good as its updates) Thats my point of view however and I would leave it fo others to decide how they would make an observation.

Yes it is unfair on newcomers who only know perhaps the common nmame and rely on i-spot to do the rest (altough I would always check )and thats more reason for an experienced observer to agree with the synonym before revising the observation. Does it matter ???? . My opinion I think it does
Why ??? because i-spot is an educational site and if you are trying to impart good practice and wisdom it should be in so far as possible as good as can be. Enough said .

Best Wishes

WLR

PS Nothing personal on the issue I respct the views of others who may not revise observation for particular reasons I happen to hold an alternative view

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Enough said

Nearly! What has happened here is what often happens, namely that the new name draws the expert in, so now you have the expert addition to your reputation, but the original observer doesn't, even though they made no mistake. Seems a bit unfair.

Anyway, we've done this before! I'll shut up! I think we are both right, really. ;)

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Budding Agreement

We agree I am sure :-) that its all good stuff and thats what matters :-) Lesser Celandine will still again sprout tomorrow no matter what we call it

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ns2658's picture

From my point of view

Well, I have never been here before, but this is a learning experience for me. Very interesting posts above, I feel a little like I accidently opened Pandoras box.

Just a quick point. As you are all aware I typed in the common name and I allowed iSpot to give me the scientific name, however where do I check that what I have been given is correct?

Apologies if that is a noob question, as I am indeed a noob. Thanks for the help.

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Ficaria verna!

Goodness me had no idea my adding the new name I would create such controversy!
When i first started using iSpot about 18months ago on several occasions I was 'upstaged'by someone with more knowledge simply because I was using an old name, and none more than Ranunculus ficaria/Ficaria verna.I subsequently bought the new Stace 3 and carefully check all my plant observations/id's before committing anything to the site.
However,if someone has clearly identified the species correctly as in this case, but used the old name or synonym I always agree with them so they get some credit,I don't know if there is an iSpot etiquette on this, so don't know whether it is better to add the name as a revision or comment.
Otherwise I agree with much of what has been said here in terms the constant evolution of taxonomy and nomenclature and for what it's worth Ficara verna will always be Ranunculus ficaria to me, it runs off the tongue so much better and whatever we say it's a really nice buttercup, a true harbinger of spring and a real pick me up on a dull grey day!

David J Trevan

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Welcome to I-spot

Hi Nicholas - what we all should have said is welcome to i-spot and enjoy - its your tool to learn :-) Pandoras Box is an interesting one - the last thing that came out of it was "Hope" So lets hope you will make some interesting finds no matter what they are called and you have the added benefit of knowledgable folk like David and Ian keeping us on our toes

Here is link relevant to Botany the rest I gusess is cross referencing on Google interestingly I have always found Wikipedia up to date with names
http://www.thewildflowersociety.com/wfs_news/1z_news_stace_ed3_28_04_10.htm

Best wishes & Happy Snapping

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Thanks

Thank you for the welcome and links. I in no way felt 'upstaged'. I know very little about botany and this is a great learning experience for me, so I was happy to have the correct scientific name pointed out.