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Common Quaker in August?

Observed: 7th August 2011 By: JohnaldJohnald’s reputation in InvertebratesJohnald’s reputation in InvertebratesJohnald’s reputation in Invertebrates
Common Quaker in August?
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Douglas's picture

Yes, as David says many think

Yes, as David says many think it unsafe to ID without GD.

I'm of the view that they can sometimes be ID'd, but not really from a photo.

I would lean slightly towards Rustic on this one.

Best wishes,

Douglas

DavidHowdon's picture

Views

I'd share Douglas's view, with these moths in the hand I will usually ID without retaining for dissection. But from a photo I'd not be confident.

I would lean slighly towards Uncertain on this one.

DavidHowdon's picture

Hoplodrina

RHoman is right that there is another confusion, and that we should be careful from photos. To my eye Vine's Rustic has a much greyer appearance than Uncertain/Rustic, so I will stick with my slight leaning on this one, but his ID is probably the safest one to agree with.

Douglas's picture

Yes, I had considered Vine's

Yes, I had considered Vine's however had decided it wasn't right for this moth.

However, I agree with the caution on these 3 species.

Best wishes,

Douglas

Johnald's picture

Rustic/Uncertain

I don't know why I submitted this one but it has resulted in discussion. My notes show I recorded Rustic on that day, and it was probably the one I photographed, being a neat clean specimen unlike many of them. It was the photo rather than the insect that made me think of Common Quaker. Vine's are usually more distinctive with a slight shine to them. I normally record the darker ones as Rustic and paler as Uncertain but am never that sure. At least they are all common.

John Aldridge

DavidHowdon's picture

Rustic / Uncertain

I've not heard that dark=rustic paler=uncertain distinction before. The external character I usually use is the presence (uncertain) or absence (rustic) of a dark curved cross bar between the two kidney marks.