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Forgive me for asking, MW, but I find the whole reputation-thing rather confusing...if you are knowledgeable about plants, surely you know Teasel when you see it, don't you?!
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I fully support ophrys's (Ian's) brave statement here. Can we please have a badge review? Wrongly assigned badges cripple the iSpot concept. There is no kind way to say this. Sorry.
The NBN makes some interesting observations about 'Field Identification' and attempts to standardise and define individuals capabilities, e.g. the Natural History Museums 'IdQ' system and how it falls down. Personally, I would ask for help from my 'peers' if I was in a different geographical area or habitat type. Regards
I had never heard of Wild Teasel until one of my college peers from Somerset turned up with the dried flower head of a Fuller's Teasel, Dipsacus fullonum, and proceeded to tease cloth. Regards
It is one of those plants, though, that anyone with the least interest in plants can identify, isn't it? That was the only reason I mentioned it...genuine surprise that someone knowledgeable about plants appeared not to know it.
I too was surprised that someone 'knowledgeable about plants' did not know Teasel. To me it is one of those distinctive plants that I grew up with, and it seems to be quite widely distributed particularly in the southern counties.There is nothing else quite like it,well armoured and also distinctive in flower.
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I feel like I've fallen down a rabbit hole -MW correctly identified and added to iSpot the Teasel on 1 Oct 2011. Regards
Strange, as you say. Knew it in October...but then forgot what it was by January? Certainly the title 'plant' did not suggest that the observer knew what it was...
Perhaps I am missing something!? It would be nice to hear from MW.
Hi All , Thank you for your comments.My specialist subject area is Sustainable Agriculture.As a Mentor my role is to engage people with nature rather than being an expert of all biodiversity areas. Ophrys, posts on wild teasel are different on two different days. I didn't grow up with teasel. Nice, you did. First time photograph was taken locally in a walk with my husband who is a professional Horticulturist who suggested the name. Second one is from RSPB, Rainham Marshes, and I have posted several pictures at the same time. The idea is to present biodiversity and give a chance for people to engage and identify with it.
Gentlemen, that sounds like fair comment to me. My background is education and personnel - my professional specialism is different to my declared field of interest on iSpot. Also, I have attended a course given by Rachel Rhodes, NW Biodiversity Mentor,on using iSpot and who in her role is a lovely engaging person who will promote and sustain iSpot. Regards
It is perfectly fair comment. There is no reason why someone should know what Teasel is, of course. Manga Waggott is, I have no doubt, a superb mentor for iSpot and that is a very important job. I have never suggested otherwise.
Beagle, you may be missing the point, which is a very simple one and implies no criticism of anyone at all: it comes down to the fact that iSpot should not give out 'knowledgeable' status on plants to someone who does not know what Teasel is, in my opinion. It may be a different situation on an area like Invertebrates, where there are so many areas of specialism, but on plants I would have thought you needed to know the common ones found in the UK, to have that label.
That's it. I never intended this thread to ramble on, sorry!
ophrys, Martin Harvey is authentic person to answer your question and expand on the subject of reputation system.
It's OK, I never intended it to become a big issue. I understand that iSpot initially made some designations in order to get up and running...etc.
The discussion above has raised some interesting questions. There is no precise definition of the criteria for being badged as "knowledgeable" or "expert" on iSpot, and we think it would be very hard to pin down such criteria, given the variety of ways in which people can gain expertise in natural history. But on the whole we believe that the badges do help sustain the wider reputation system on iSpot (http://www.ispot.org.uk/help-reputation), and have generally worked well.
Given the very broad nature of some of the overall taxonomic groups that iSpot uses there will always be cases where people badged as knowledgeable or expert are not expert in all the species within the group, and I think that needs to be borne in mind. The badge system would become enormously complex if we tried to focus it down too narrowly.
However, in agreement with the people concerned we have occasionally adjusted the badges where necessary, and after discussion with Manga we think this is such a case, and the knowledgeable badge is no longer being used by her. Which of course means that anyone coming fresh to this chain of comments will wonder what it's all about! But I hope that resolves things in this instance.
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Rainham Marshes, RSPB reserve