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Phoenix v Small Phoenix

Observed: 20th July 2004 By: ophrys
Yorkshire Naturalists' Union
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Pocklington20.07.04At 125 MV lamp
13/08/03PocklingtonAt 125 MV lamp
Description:

Phoenix is a larger moth with a more wavy trailing edge to the outer crossbar. It appears quite angular, quite sharp, due to the shape of its wings. Small Phoenix is less striking and has the obvious teardrop in the middle of the crossbar (sometimes separate from the rest of the bar). Phoenix is one of those where you finally know it when you see it!

Identifications
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    Likely ID
    Phoenix/Small Phoenix (Eulithis prunata/Ecliptopera silaceata)
    Confidence: I'm as sure as I can be.
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Comments

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Hi Ophrys, Thanks for your

Hi Ophrys,
Thanks for your help. I had recorded approx 10 small phoenix in Co Antrim, some were very fresh and had lovely clear teardrops in the centre of the forewing. Actually breaking up the forewing. All were very small and consistently sized. The ones I saw around home were so much smaller to the small phoenix I met in the west of Ireland and without the striking bright teardrop, I instantly and wrongfully noted it as my first phoenix!!!!!

I can see the differences now, my Mayo moth is a little worn and lacks a clear teardrop. Ive retitled my posting on your observations.

Thanks again,

Cathal.

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Phoenix

You ought to come to my garden trap in the summer...you have to beat the buggers away with a broom* some nights!

*slight exaggeration, maybe, but they are big and plentiful, anyway. Great moths!

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I must have a look and see

I must have a look and see how likely it is for me to record Phoenix in my localty.

Then again, due to under-recording of many species in general, I wouldnt be surprised to find a healthy population of it near here, even if it isnt already recorded that much. But maybe I am a bit too far north?

I'll hopefully get one this summer, a fresh small phoenix is a wee beauty to find also.

Cathal.

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I checked the distribution

I checked the distribution maps for both in NI, based on where theyve already been recorded. Small phoenix isnt indicated in my area at all, but Ive recorded it here, phoenix has been recorded here atleast once post 1989, but so far Ive failed to record it.

I'm not at all surprised by this, under-recording is the issue. I will be hoping to record a Phoenix in the coming summer.

Thanks for clarifying, I dont know how long it would have taken for me to realise my mistake!

Cathal.