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Sea Scorpion at boat club, 13.12.10.

Observed: 13th December 2010 By: nightflynightfly is knowledgeable about Fishnightfly’s earned reputation in Fishnightfly’s earned reputation in Fishnightfly’s earned reputation in Fish
Sea Scorpion at boat club, 13.12 (37)
Sea Scorpion at boat club, 13.12 (70)
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Description:

Sea Scorpion differentiation aid added, see last picture.

Identifications
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    Likely ID
    Long spined sea scorpion/bullhead. (Taurulaus bubalis)
    Confidence: I'm as sure as I can be.
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    • dejayM
      Biological Recording In ScotlandHighland Biological Recording GroupOrkney Biodiversity Records Centre
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    • chrisbrooks
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Species interactions

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Comments

chrisbrooks's picture

Barbel

Hi Cathal

Nice clear barbel, the water makes the difference.

Regards Chris

nightfly's picture

Thanks for response Chris,

Yeah the little barbel becomes difficult to appreciate out of water and even more so if camouflaged as it is in the bright red one we discussed the other day. I'm hoping to hear from Andy Horton of Glaucus.com re it soon.

I have a nice water colour diagram here of both species and what distinguishes them, I got it from an angling forum. Looking at the fin structure- its a bit different but it does take a wee bit of studying, the very red ones fins say Tb regardless of barbel. The shape of the rear dorsal seems to help tell the difference as far as I can see. A Myoxocephalus scorpius is quite a different beast altogether the more pics I look at, hard to put into words but somehow a more substantial structure? Hard to describe, I have a notion the Ms has a much bigger mouth in proportion to the head size, they both have big heads. Fascinating and beautiful fish!

Cheers,

ps, could you advise me how to take down my duplicate ID of the red one from a few days ago? I'd like to share this diagram of the 2 species with you also?

Cathal.

chrisbrooks's picture

ID

Hi Cathal

You cannot remove an ID once it is posted, you can only remove your agreement.

If you look on my website you should hopefully find my e-mail address under "contact me", perhaps you can send the diagram as an attachment.

Regards Chris

nightfly's picture

Thank you,

Will do. Ah well that duplicate will just have to stay there then even though it looks a bit silly.

Cheers,

Cathal.

dejayM's picture

see the headmaster...

An early post Cathal. Obviously the duplicate was removed for you. 'They' wouldn't do this now!
The panel is incomplete, so this post doesn't show in Other Obs.
You forced the name (typed it in) because you were so young then!
It is properly spelled Taurulus bubalis. Time for a new ID?
And add the picture you promised?

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The diagram showing both

The diagram showing both species Derek? Its on another laptop in another house but I will post it later.

It took me a while to find it Derek but its up there now.

Cathal.

dejayM's picture

remarkable

I always find it remarkable that the artwork for these 'difficulties' make plain the differences which are then often the Devil to see in real life! And it's never helped by us who fail to take photos looking like artwork, nor have the key features in mind when we snap away with cold wet hands!
Very useful though; so, my immediate reaction is that yours has -

    no spots along the belly
    rays on the pectoral fin but seem to be restricted to the 'quills'
    a patchy pelage along the back
    a red rim to the iris - missed by the artist

My agreement stands (relief!)
You have to admit, it's worth revisiting old and dormant posts.