Refugee's picture

Two teer Latin names list

What i was thinking of was to add a second tear of Latin names that can be edited by users and over time allow them to build up an agreement counter and after enough counts have built up add them to the official list following a quick expert check. When a Latin name gets changed this will happen quickly and the update can then be adopted here too. The other bit that could be added is multiple common names for one Latin name again with an agreement counter attached in order to evaluate popularity.
I always used to think that Indian Balsam had an other common name until i tried to ID one.

Lets see if we can get a computer to do it. They are cheaper!!!

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Masked Marvel's picture

Good idea

I would definitely agree that making scientific names editable is a good idea. As an expert I am reluctant to add revisions to update taxonomy as it can be off-putting for new users, who have got an ID correct to be told it's wrong on a technicality. Which leads to some mislabled observations.

Also the 'get recommended' option is also out of date for some species now.

Refugee's picture

Important

There must be an official list that is not editable on here and it must get priority over the user one. It would be a totally "thankless" task to keep up with all those changes we keep getting now that DNA is being used more widely giving us old and new names. Both could be shown to avoid confusion. Semi automatic looks like the best way to go so that on the common name side in particular the US names can be added in addition to the UK ones. The only way it could go wrong is if a name gets miss spelled in a book that goes on to be supplied to schools.

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Matt Smith's picture

Names

The problem here is keeping the "recommended" names list up to date. I-Spot uses the NHM Species Dictionary names as the "recommended" name as does the Recorder software package and the NBN. The job of managing this list should really be left with the NHM, not with an editable list at I-Spot level.

The "problem" with I-Spot is that users can type anything they want in as an initial name for an observation. This is good as it means beginners aren't put off by the requrement to "get it right scientificaly" from the start, and users can offer a range of suggestions at various taxonomic levels.

What might be useful would be for the system to automatically do a "get recommended" check so as to bring up the most up to date name for all observations. Failing that, an "update" button to be used by "experts" only that would allow them to "revise" an observation name to the latest one without having to create a whole new revision. If a name is changed in this way the Observation would need to show this and note the synonomy - ie "Lissotriton vulgaris is now the reccommended name in place of Triturus vulgaris".

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Refugee's picture

Official list

I agree that the official list should be kept as "sacred". The "expert" check i refer to is to contact the beholder of the official list to point out to them what is in popular use or has been changed due to the introduction of DNA testing.
I was thinking of how this could be indicated and would if i was setting it up i would set the software to show an Ispot scientific name with different shaped brackets so that it does not confuse new users. An expert help button may have to be added so that new users at least know that the info it reveals will be complicated if they press it. The issue here is that much of this information is held by traditional organizations in paper form and there is a delay in getting it updated. What i am thinking of is a way of selecting what gets a chance to "jump" up the priority list.
There are still a lot of hand crafted drawings in books that are still in common use and reproduced on the web. The ability to link these with photographic ones would be very nice using a combination of new and old names.
I was thinking of using a modified or customized spread sheet package on an old part "retired" server left over from an upgrade with just a link from the main site.

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