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Which ladybird?

Observed: 15th October 2011 By: babu1
S159 Neighbourhood Nature - course complete
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Ladybird
Description:

Black, two C-shaped spots. Round domed shape.

Identifications
Species interactions

No interactions present.

Species with which Harlequin Ladybird (Harmonia axyridis) interacts

Comments

Wildlife Ranger's picture

Kidney spot

I think you are correct Kidney SL - It is much rounder and with the typical basal flange from what can be seen it has a black face/pronotal area (and preumably legs ???? ) I presume also it was ( circa 4-5 mm ?) much smaller than the larger Harlequin ???? It could be a Pine ladybird but the two spots point to the KSL

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BDeed's picture

KSL

Is the kidney spot also quite variable then? I did know they could have notched spot or white pronotum?

Looking at the photo again it also does still look quite oval to me, as the head is quite visible even though this picture has been taken from behind and at an angle.

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KSL v Harlequinn

Hi Ben Looking at it again It could well be the Harlequinn i have had second thoughts on it as the flange is not pronounced enough and the shoulders not quite right . Perhaps REMO can chip in but you may well be right

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babu1's picture

Kidney spot vs Harlequin

Thankyou folks for your input. Face and legs definately black. Am still mightily confused though.
This is the clearest pic of several before the subject disappeared into the foliage. Also didn't get a chance to measure.

S Tomkins

BDeed's picture

K & H

That is odd then as i think the Harlequin legs are lighter, though they have highly variable shell patterning and colouration as i am sure you can tell from the other pictures you have put up!

I would still suggest checking the link to the ladybird website i left on your other post, it may help clarify things a bit.

At the end of the day we can only go off what we see in the picture, you saw the whole thing in situ and so are best placed to make the id from a suitable guide.

Size wise, if the pic was taken at home/nearby you could go back and measure the snipped branch/twig it is sitting on, this would give us a better idea of scale.

babu1's picture

Harlequin vs kidney spot

Since posting this I've checked out the harlequin survey website and found their variations and comperisons charts really helpful.
The discussion above, plus the site info, has impressed on me the importance of measuring where possible.
Unfortunately, going back to the site has not been possible since. I did get a bit carried away with the number on the tree, thinking they were different species. Next time ...
Thanks all for informative comments.

S Tomkins

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It is definitely a Harlequin,

It is definitely a Harlequin, form conspicua - in fact, you can tell from the pattern that one of its parents was form conspicua, and one was form succinea (that's why it has a black spot in the red blob).

Kidney-spot never has white on the pronotum (or, in fact, anywhere else), and it never has the keel at the back of the elytra which the Harlequin has, and which can be just about seen here.

Harlequin always has brown legs, but the shade can vary - sounds like this one was unusually dark!

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