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Observed: 22nd June 2011 By: Sara McMahonSara McMahon’s reputation in InvertebratesSara McMahon’s reputation in InvertebratesSara McMahon’s reputation in InvertebratesSara McMahon’s reputation in Invertebrates
Uncertain (22 Jun)
Species interactions

No interactions present.

Species with which Uncertain (Hoplodrina alsines) interacts


ophrys's picture

Come on then!

Why isn't it a Rustic?!

I hate these (or, maybe, I really like them...?), as I am never sure which is which. Not so bad this early in the season, but give it a couple of weeks, when both are around, and it is anyone's guess, unless you are into genitalia. But they are meant to be tricky, too?

I think you are right on this one, but if anyone has a magic wand for this pair, then let us know.


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Sara McMahon's picture

Come on then!

I hate them too! Hence 'it might be this' my mates here tell me it's too early for Rustic - also I've not had Rustic here (Plympton), genitalia - no thanks, means killing them and I don't like that either. Also is it Rustic that has been split into other species? Making it even harder!

rimo's picture

I agreed with Uncertain for a

I agreed with Uncertain for a couple of reasons - firstly the date, which is right for Uncertain but early for Rustic, and partly from the general appearance - Uncertain has clear markings including distinct crosslines, bright stigmata and a diffuse grey arch between the reniform stigma on each wing. Rustic tends to be a much duller, less contrasty species.

It's not visible here, but the hindwing is also a useful feature - greyish in Rustic, brownish in Uncertain.

Rustic hasn't been split as far as I know - I suspect you're thinking of the Common Rustic/Lesser Common Rustic/Remm's Rustic trio (or possibly the splitting of H-form Burnished Brass)

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Sara McMahon's picture


Hi Rimo,
Thanks for the comments and help, yep I was thinking of trio you mentioned, I thought I had Burnished Brass sussed and then....