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Upper side

Observed: 21st March 2011 By: Mike CookMike Cook’s reputation in InvertebratesMike Cook’s reputation in InvertebratesMike Cook’s reputation in InvertebratesMike Cook’s reputation in Invertebrates
Upper side
Under side
Description:
Identifications
  • Agonopterix heracliana
    Confidence: It's likely to be this, but I can't be certain.
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    Likely ID
    Agonopterix ciliella / heracliana
    Confidence: I'm as sure as I can be.
Species interactions

No interactions present.

Comments

DavidHowdon's picture

Not sure

Not sure I can see the feature in question here. Have a look at http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=2627 to see what you are looking for.

Ethyl acetate should work to make it stay still for examination

RHoman's picture

Hindwing

I think you need to look at the cilia on the upperside of the hindwing. I wonder whether you will be able to successfully manipulate such a small moth in order to expose the hindwing, even with ethyl acetate. You would also need a specimen with minimal or no wear to the fringes of the wing. Is it "mission-critical" to id down to species level? If so then dissection is the obvious answer or at least have the dead specimen to hand to examine the wing carefully, if not then perhaps just record it as heracliana/ciliella.

Robert Homan

DavidHowdon's picture

Ethyl acetate

I find it possible to examine the relevant feature of this with one of these knocked out with ethyl acetate just using my fingers. Could use a pin or forceps or similar to move the wings if you wished.

Of course dissection / retaining a specimen may be necessary if you need to prove the record until the relevant authorities trust your ID skills.

Mike Cook's picture

Unfortunately, Mapmate does

Unfortunately, Mapmate does not contain heracliana/ciliella. The best I could find was Agonopterix sp. Maybe I'd be better off using this rather than trying to develop my talent as an anaesthetist!

Thanks for you helpful comments, David and Robert

Mike

DavidHowdon's picture

MapMate

That is what I currently do in MapMate if I do not get round to splitting these.

Mark at Teknica who produce MapMate is very good about adding things to the filters so I if you emailed him suggesting the addition of A. heracliana / ciliella as an aggregate it might get added to a future MapMate patch.