MrG's picture

Reputation on old postings

I notice that the reputation given on old postings is the current reputation and not the reputation of the individual at the time of making an id or agreement. This could be misleading as someone's expertise could increase considerably over time (genuinely, not just as an iSpot reputation). I'm not sure whether this is deliberate or could be seen as a bug. It may not be possible to change this for existing posts but a relatively simple way of changing it could be to store the date that individuals reach a reputation level and comparing this to the posting date.

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George W's picture

'reputations'

I don't take the iSpot 'reputations' too seriously (I've seen at least one person with a 'higher score' than me but who has contributed less observations or feedback than I have.

I found this website less than a month ago but really value it because you/others can share (1) things you/they have observed and know about, (2) things you/they have observed but don't know about, (3) things you/they would like to know more about. I also like to read the forum discussions about areas of wildlife I am unfamiliar with. As I read contributer's comments/responses to each other I gain more knowledge myself.

Regards
George

Jonathan's picture

Glad you area enjoying iSpot.

Glad you area enjoying iSpot.

Regarding reputation points, everyone actually has 9 different scores. Take a look at your profile to see all of them. If you have made a lot of postings and given lots of feedback, this will add to your social score, but if someone else has made more correct IDs than you, their score in that area, for the relevant group, may be larger than yours. So, before you worry that the system isn't working properly, you need to understand how it works. We know that it is not perfect, but it does do what we intended it too and altering it would probably only make it more complicated and we want to avoid that.

For more, see: http://www.ispot.org.uk/help-reputation

We will be reviewing how the rep system works at some point, so your comments are welcome.

Jonathan
University of Edinburgh and Biodiversity Observatory (OU)

BDeed's picture

Reputation

Kinda hijacking this thread a little, though it's linked particularly to your comment that you'll be reviewing the reputation system. Has this now been done?

My Invert group reputation i have just noticed appears to have gone down, though i am not sure of the actual score change (if any) I've lost a butterfly! most upsetting!

Would this be down to recent changes or people withdrawing their agreements? It's not an issue, just curious, particularly if people are withdrawing agreements as i'd like top know where!

Perdika's picture

Lost reputation

I also seem to have lost reputation in both plants and invertebrates. I am not too upset about this, but I do wonder how it happened.

Carole

Jonathan's picture

These changes are due to the

These changes are due to the update to the rep system that is mentioned in the news item currently on the home page.
Do not worry, they are not caused by anything you have done, or not got right for that matter. Its just a tweak to the system.

Jonathan
University of Edinburgh and Biodiversity Observatory (OU)

David Trevan's picture

Reputation on iSpot

I too was amazed to find I had lost a plant from my reputation which was previously a five.

I find this perplexing when I compare the number of observations I have added,the number of id' s I have made and the agreements I have
made when I look at other users who have not made anywhere near the number of observations and identifications that I have, but who now have the same reputation! It doesn't make any sense to me!I feel I worked really hard to get my five rating.
Plants are my passion, and I really enjoy iSpot and learn so much from it but I have found these changes very de-motivating.Sorry!

David J Trevan

corylus's picture

Reputation on iSpot seems a little complicated at present....

I expect to lose a plant imminently as this seems fair to me comparing with the other changes.Could we have some more feedback please?

Hazel Trevan

Jonathan's picture

If you have not lost a plant

If you have not lost a plant already, then you will not. The changes are complete.

Before we made the change we modeled the effect on all users to see what would happen. The changes to reputation that result from the tweak are once-off. You can have confidence that your reputation will not fall from now on.

Jonathan
University of Edinburgh and Biodiversity Observatory (OU)

Jonathan's picture

The change we have made will make the system fairer from now on

Dear David,

I am sorry that you feel like that. The change we have made will make the system fairer from now on. You need to appreciate that iSpot's reputation system is unique and that it was therefore a bit of an experiment from the beginning.

Note, by the way that your plant reputation is not influenced by the number of agreements you have made, but by those that you have received. It has always been like this and remains so.

Another thing to note is that the scale is logarithmic. That means that it gets harder and harder to add an icon as you go up. It has to be like this, or we'd need a very big range of numbers to represent the full range of reputation. We made it easy for the first one or two to encourage beginners, which I hope you will agree is very important.

So, you can feel very satisfied with your reputation, and I hope realize that the time and expertise that you and others devote to iSpot is appreciated and does make a difference. The growth of iSpot, which is one reason we had to make the tweak, is thanks to people like you. Well done everyone!

Jonathan
University of Edinburgh and Biodiversity Observatory (OU)

David Trevan's picture

Reputation on iSpot

Hi Jonathan,
Just come in and picked up your reply.Many thanks for your explanations and encouraging words-you have made things much clearer!
I think iSpot is a brilliant resource and only wish it was available when I was lecturing in horticulture and countryside management(I retired about 2 years ago)-my students would have got so much out of it!
Once again,
Many thanks,
Dave Trevan

David J Trevan

Ray Turner's picture

Reputation

Is it not also true the algorithm takes into account the reputation score of those agreeing with you? So for example if you had, say, 50 agreements from ‘experts’ it would count more than, say, 75 agreements form people with one icon.

Assuming this is so there may well be slight discrepancies in the absolute numbers.

Ray

Ray

Jonathan's picture

Yes, the points you get are

Yes, the points you get are dependent on the reputation of the person agreeing with your ID. An expert gets you one point, and this is now the most you can get for a correct ID. Formerly, there was no cap, so 5 experts agreeing = 5 points. That was not really equitable, and not how we intended the system to work when we devised it, hence the change now.

Jonathan
University of Edinburgh and Biodiversity Observatory (OU)

MrG's picture

All very well but...

I have just 'rediscovered' this forum posting of mine and have two comments.

Firstly, however intersting subsequent postings may have been none of them seem relevant to the original post. It would have been nice to at least get some response on this.

Secondly, none of these postings to my topic has been flagged in the Changes section in My Spot. I'm sure I reported this as a bug a long while back and thought it had been fixed but apparently not. Note: you do get notified of additions to a forum topic if you have contributed just not if you originated it!

Ray Turner's picture

Agreed

I agree with this totally (the bug and the relevance)

Ray

Jonathan's picture

That is very strange as

That is very strange as others are getting notification OK. Are you getting notification on Observations?

Re the reputation being the existing one, your point is noted and we will look at this, though I cannot say how easy it will be to change.

Jonathan
University of Edinburgh and Biodiversity Observatory (OU)

Ray Turner's picture

Hit and Miss

Observations are not a problem Jonathan but getting notification of anything that takes place in a forum seems hit and miss.

Ray

Dioctria's picture

I'm not sure about the

I'm not sure about the current state of play, but I have noted and mentioned in the past that there was definitely an issue with the first post. If you started the thread you didn't get a notification of further activity. This may be related to the continued inability to 'Reply' to the first post, you can only 'Add a new comment'. Is the system only reporting replies to users in the particular thread of replies?

If it is still causing issues it just needs a little testing:
User A starts a dummy thread.
B adds comment.
C adds comment.
B 'Replies' to C's comment.
etc.
Checking the notifications for each user at each stage should soon shake out the issues.

David

Jonathan's picture

OK. We will look into this.

OK. We will look into this. It is odd because the Forums are driven by a standard module.

Jonathan
University of Edinburgh and Biodiversity Observatory (OU)

Dioctria's picture

For info...

I did get a notification for your last post Jonathan, which appears to be a sibling reply to Ray. So we know that's working fine.

David

richard's picture

Reputation points for the user

Hi MrG,

you're correct in pointing out that the reputation icons given for a user are their current reputation. The intention was always that these icons where only ever user specific (by group) and not observation specific, the reason for this was that we didn't want the system to become overly complicated for users to understand. It may well be a nice feature to also be able to see a user's reputation at the time of posting an observation. Something we could possibly look into in the future.

Thanks,

Richard G - iSpot technical team

MrG's picture

Thanks

Thanks for this information. I raised this as a query rather than a request for change and I appreciate that it is not a big issue. Thanks to everyone else who responded so promptly to this and hopefully the problem of not reporting additions to the post originator has now been fixed.

richard's picture

My Spot changes page fixed

Thank you all for pointing out the exact nature of the issue with the bug in the changes page. We've corrected this and you all should find changes to forum threads you've created now showing up in your My Spot changes page... although this will only happen for forum threads you create from here on in.

Thanks,

Richard G - iSpot technical team

Ray Turner's picture

Hey ...

... I like it – a quick fix – well done guys :-)

Ray

Ray